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Article: 13504 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
From: mnahkola@aurinko.ntc.nokia.com
Subject: Re: Need Kermit Diskette for HP-9816 200/300 BASIC Workstation
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In article <ag1dkq$cfn$1@support.neth.hp.com>, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Yesterday I wrote:
>> Adding to Mikko's reply:
>> The HP 9816's "unique diskette format" is HP LIF (Logical Interchange
>> Format), hence the reference to lifcp (LIF copy). lifcp is mainly
>> available on *HP-UX* systems.
>> So you need *someone* (you?) who has an *HP-UX* (not "unix") system
>> *with* a floppy drive. If you have that, then:
> [deleted]
> I have an HP-UX system with a (1.44MB/720KB) floppy drive, so if I can
> help, let me know.
>
> Whoever does the work, I think it is best if:
>
> - The 'target' sends hir *two* HP 9816 format diskettes:
>
> - One with some ASCII and binary files to be used for testing, with
> information about these files, i.e. content (for the ASCII one),
> sizes in bytes, (if possible) (UNIX) checksums, like "sum",
> "sum -r", "cksume", etc..
> If possible include (a) file(s) of the same type as the needed
> files, so that the right type can be checked when the work is
> (being) done.
>
> - One 'empty', but already (HP 9816) formatted, one.
>
> - You send hir the files to be put on the empty diskette. Files should
> be in ready-to-use format, i.e. not "hexified". I advice to us a
> shar(1) archive, so that transmission/unpacking errors can be
> prevented/detected.
>
> - The person doing the work sends both diskettes back to the 'target'.
That sounds like a good plan. There's just one catch ... does a
BASIC-running workstation know how to use a shar file? The hexified file
might actually be easier to handle, but even better if it could be
converted to the native format already ... if that can be verified to be
done correctly.
> Note: Coming to think of it, you do not really need an HP-UX system with
> a diskette drive. You could also do it with:
>
> - lifinit and lifcp on any system. (Other posters have mentioned that
> there are Linux versions as well. And there are DOS versions as well,
> at least like lifcp. Do not know if these (DOS) versions can write LIF
> archive *files*.)
> - Any UNIX/Linux system with a diskette drive of the right type.
> You can then lifinit/lifcp stuff to a LIF archive *file* and dd(1) the
> LIF archive file to the diskette.
There's another problem - the only lifinit I was able to find that works
at all is the one in HP-UX. And I couldn't successfully _write_ to the
LIF on Linux either - reading did work though... so this only eliminates
the part about shipping the floppies to where the HP-UX box is, unless
someone else can get the other parts to work.
Can the LIF image indeed be written to a regular file and then dd'd to a
floppy elsewhere, reliably? I know that doing such a thing with HP
fbackup would be asking for trouble... oh, sorry, silly me, Ignite-UX
already does this...
> Note 2:
>
> I see that the original problem statement was:
>
>> On behalf of a user who badly needs to get some scientific data into and
>> out of an HP 9816 Series 200/300 BASIC workstation.
>
> If this data fits on one diskette (at a time), then perhaps Kermit is
> not needed at all, and all data transfer can be done by using HP 9816
> format diskettes on the HP 9816 and a lifcp-like program on the source/
> target platform. BTW, what *is* the source/target platform (i.e.
> hardware?, OS?, diskette drive?, etc.).
--
Mikko Nahkola <mikko.nahkola@nokia.com>
My ideas, not my employer's. No warranty. YMMV.
#include <disclaimer.h>